Todd Cordell: Calgary Flames: On Nylander & Clearing Cap Space

After grabbing Andersson and Kylington in the 2nd last year and acquiring Hamilton, it makes perfect sense to grab a F with the 6th. However, can never have too many D. If you could move Wideman that be what the team (cap) needs the most. If Lou can trade Phaneuf without eating salary, then perhaps you can find another home for Dennis.

After grabbing Andersson and Kylington in the 2nd last year and acquiring Hamilton, it makes perfect sense to grab a F with the 6th. However, can never have too many D. If you could move Wideman that be what the team (cap) needs the most. If Lou can trade Phaneuf without eating salary, then perhaps you can find another home for Dennis.
- storm88

That's what I'm thinking. Wideman isn't great but he has 75 points in his last 131 games. He has to have *some* value.

That's what I'm thinking. Wideman isn't great but he has 75 points in his last 131 games. He has to have *some* value.
- ToddCordellCGY

Not to the linesmen.

An off year, offensively for him. But he's capable of more. What CGY needs to do is find that budget team that is just trying to get to the cap floor. Might be their best shot.

Keith Yandle can be compared to Wideman (Somewhat i guess). Keith can be had for free tho this summer. So does a team wanna pay more salary for a Yandle? Or Trade an asset for a Wideman, who will probably end up being a tad cheaper.

Assuming Yandle commands more than 5.25

I personally look at wideman as a good offensive player who has a great first pass and a good shot. He has slow foot speed which causes him to get beat on the outside but isn't afraid to take the body. I personally value him as a 4-5 dman. I don't think buying him out is the right choice because he still adds value to the team. His salary sucks but I think he is 'worth' about $3.5 to $4 mil.

Smid is the dead space on the back end. He should be bought out but I think he is injured so we can't buy him out.

Engeland is hit or miss for me. I think we need him.

D-pairings next year:
Brodie Hamilton
Gio Engeland
Wideman - Jokipaka
Wotherspoon

Flames would do well to snag Nylander.

I personally look at wideman as a good offensive player who has a great first pass and a good shot. He has slow foot speed which causes him to get beat on the outside but isn't afraid to take the body. I personally value him as a 4-5 dman. I don't think buying him out is the right choice because he still adds value to the team. His salary sucks but I think he is 'worth' about $3.5 to $4 mil.

Smid is the dead space on the back end. He should be bought out but I think he is injured so we can't buy him out.

Engeland is hit or miss for me. I think we need him.

D-pairings next year:
Brodie Hamilton
Gio Engeland
Wideman - Jokipaka
Wotherspoon
- tmurph

Make it worth it to the Leafs and get them to send him to Lou's Island

I personally look at wideman as a good offensive player who has a great first pass and a good shot. He has slow foot speed which causes him to get beat on the outside but isn't afraid to take the body. I personally value him as a 4-5 dman. I don't think buying him out is the right choice because he still adds value to the team. His salary sucks but I think he is 'worth' about $3.5 to $4 mil.

Smid is the dead space on the back end. He should be bought out but I think he is injured so we can't buy him out.

Engeland is hit or miss for me. I think we need him.

D-pairings next year:
Brodie Hamilton
Gio Engeland
Wideman - Jokipaka
Wotherspoon
- tmurph

I wouldn't buy Wideman out, either. If they can't trade him just keep him and try again at the deadline.

nylander would look great on that top line

nylander would look great on that top line
- Bigern4MVP

Isn't Nylander a left winger? Is he projected to be better than his brother?

Todd, why would you buy out Bouma before Raymond?

Nope he is a right shot RW. And he is said to be more skilled and the better of the 2.

Todd, why would you buy out Bouma before Raymond?
- DuranDuran

Thinking the same thing

Isn't Nylander a left winger? Is he projected to be better than his brother?
- Yeah...Baby

Listed as LW/RW but he has a right handed shot. His brother has some really good stats so far so if Alex is indeed the better of the two I would be very happy with this pick. Alex is also bigger than his older brother.

Check out William Nylander's stats below.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=166009

I have read that Alex has some knocks on his consistency, effort levels and isn't overly physical but he has a lot of raw talent and skill.

Don't see why we would buy out either defensemen if they're on their last year.

A new team for Wideman would be good. Gotta get that stigma removed.

Todd doesn't seem to give much credit to Bouma's willingness to bring intensity and pay the price. He has a good chance at returning to form given that he'll have a whole offseason to heal up.

Listed as LW/RW but he has a right handed shot. His brother has some really good stats so far so if Alex is indeed the better of the two I would be very happy with this pick. Alex is also bigger than his older brother.

Check out William Nylander's stats below.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=166009

I have read that Alex has some knocks on his consistency, effort levels and isn't overly physical but he has a lot of raw talent and skill.
- zipfel

Watching them live at the world jrs nylander looked really good. Tkachuk looked slow and really benefited from being on a line with Mathews. I'm ignoring the bronze metal game as Sweden didn't show up as a team.

Don't see why we would buy out either defensemen if they're on their last year.

A new team for Wideman would be good. Gotta get that stigma removed.

Todd doesn't seem to give much credit to Bouma's willingness to bring intensity and pay the price. He has a good chance at returning to form given that he'll have a whole offseason to heal up.
- fry

If we assume he overperformed (points-wise) in 2014/2015 and underperformed in 2015/2016 (both fair assumptions), then "returning to form" would mean performing at expectation, which would be maybe slightly better than his 2013/2014 level. So, about 7g-12a-19p. Is that worth $2.2 million?

As for is "willingness to bring intensity and pay the price," sure, he's got that. That said, any one of us could bring intensity and pay the price, too, but that doesn't mean we're good enough to get paid $2.2 million a year. I think he can be a useful player, but not at that cost. In the end, Bouma is way overpaid for what he brings. That said, Raymond has to go first, no question. Give Bouma one more year, but if (when) he doesn't come close to repeating his 2014/2015 stat line, it'll be time to cut him loose. I'd rather trade him than buy him out, but his trade value isn't likely all that high, especially with that cap hit.

EDIT: As for Wideman, once again it all depends on whether or not he's willing to go somewhere else. He may be more so after last year's debacle, but it's in his hands. By the TDL he might be even more willing.

So it's been a while, Ladies, anyone care to give me your offseason and 2016-17 season predictions?

And just for all the Oilers haters and mongers on these threads, I'll give you mine for my team.

1. Oilers will trade away 2 of the 4th overall, Nuge and/or Eberle for D help , but we fans will be dissapointed with the return.
2. PC will over pay for a UFA D that isn't that great.
3. Oilers will trade Yak for scraps. No problem here.
4. Oilers will not get any veteran leadership up front.
5.Talbot will fall back down to earth like Ramo and Hiller did.
6. Oilers will suffer 30-40 game injuries to 2 top 6 forwards and 1 top 4 D.
7. Oilers will out of it by February.
8. Oilers will tease a finish out of the bottom 5....but, well, Oilers.

Flames.
1. Burke is a Tard.
2. Flames will finish 1-3 spots ahead of Edmonton.

Nope he is a right shot RW. And he is said to be more skilled and the better of the 2.
- CapeBreton_er

according to flames fans? I've never heard that

Re: Bouma. HVe we not already been over this? He's not anywhere near a priority in term of dumping bad contracts. Raymond and Smid have to be looked at 1st. Hopefully Smid retires or stays on LTIR all year and we can buyout Raymond at worst which would only cost $1.05 mil for 2 years.

If that happens and Johnny and Mony are signed to roughly $15mil combined, I estimate CGY to come in around $60-62 mil before signing any other RFA's etc. That could give us anywhere from $10-14 mil to sign a goalie and whatever else. That's plenty of room.

We would be just fine reallocating those bad contracts to areas of need. Eg. Move Wideman for a a bad..ish goalie contract or RW. Keeping Wideman until the TDL is not the worst thing.

As for Nylander, if that's who is left at #6 I have no issue with that. He is the only right shot winger after the Finns that still falls into the upper echelon of prospects. It's just too bad he isn't big with some nasty, like Tkachuk or Dubois.

Because Todd can't get past the charts and geek stats! 2.2 well it may be too much for Bouma, it's not going to handcuff the Flames. Give the guy another year where he isn't injured before you throw him under the bus! What about Stagan, Bolig, Raymond, surely he can find fault in them as well.theres a lot worse players on this team than Bouma!

Hey flames fans, would you entertain a Lupul for Wideman deal?

Roughly the same salary and you guys need a winger whereas we need RHD.

I'm not necessarily saying a 1 for 1 straight up swap but the two players seem to fit the opposing teams needs more than their own.

Hey flames fans, would you entertain a Lupul for Wideman deal?

Roughly the same salary and you guys need a winger whereas we need RHD.

I'm not necessarily saying a 1 for 1 straight up swap but the two players seem to fit the opposing teams needs more than their own.
- BuBu420

Hard pass. Why would Flames trade for a guy with an extra year of a horrible contract?

If Flames can't move Wideman now maybe best to try and pad his stats and sell high at TDL.

Hey flames fans, would you entertain a Lupul for Wideman deal?

Roughly the same salary and you guys need a winger whereas we need RHD.

I'm not necessarily saying a 1 for 1 straight up swap but the two players seem to fit the opposing teams needs more than their own.
- BuBu420

In all seriousness, we need a RW that will play. Lupul just has not shown any ability to stay healthy. Plus Lupul has 2 more years on his contract does he not? For those reasons, I would much rather keep Wideman for 1 more season and then move him at the deadline. If he bounces back, depending on the market for D, he could fetch a nice return.

Wouldn't Nylander bust out like his brother?